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Thank you for coming out to Accelerated, we want to share with you want we have learned here over the last couple of months, and in Kern County, and in California with the testing, what is happening in California, and an ER physician perspective, ... and what we think should be the approach going forward.
We want to talk about if staying at home, sheltering in place, isolation in place still makes sense.
We both have extensively studied microbiology and biochemistry and immuniology, each of us have studied this for 20 years. And we put everything we see today against that backdrop, and say does this make sense. Are we following science?
What is science essentially? It is the study of the natural world through experiement, through observation ... We are testing, doing experiments, to see exactly what is going on.
This has caused severe disruption for Accelerated.... Our volumes have dropped significantly.
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Hospitals are furlowing doctors.
In California, we are getting rid of our doctors and nurses.
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12% of Californians were positive for COVID.
The initial models were woefully inadequate. They predicited millions of cases of death, and that is not materializing.
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0.03% chance of dying in state of California of COVID-19. Does that necessitate sheltering in place? Does that necessitate shutting down medical systems? Does that necessitate people being out of work?
So that is California.
96% of people who get COVID in California recover with almost no significant continuing medical problems. Those are important statistics for California.
We didn't know this two months ago.
We found 6.5%
California found 12%
The more you test, the prevalence rate goes up, but the death rate stays the same.
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We have between 37,000 and 60,000 deaths every year from the flu. No pandemic talk. No shutting down the economy.
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We dont report all of our flu tests every year, we do thousands of tests every year,. because the flu is ubiquitous.
And we have a flu vaccine. How many people get it each year?
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Cases of COVID in Sweden
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"Does it necessitate shutdown? Loss of jobs? Destruction of the oil companyFurlowing doctors? That's the question I have for you. And I think the answer is going to be increasingly clear as we move through this data."
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The effects of COVID-19. The secondary effects. COVID-19 is one aspect of our health sector.
What has it caused to have us involved in social isolation. What does it cause, what
* Child molestation is increasing at a severe rate.... Family members who are intoxicated, home without a paycheck. These are things that will last a lifetime.
From me talking to ER's, my doctors, and doctors across the country.
* Spousal Abuse... These will affect them for a lifetime, not a season.
* Alcoholism
* Anxiety
* Depression
* Suicide
* Education has dropped off
* Economy is collapsing
I am seeing it in my clinics, we have clincs from from Fresno to San Diego
These things will affect people for a lifetime, not a season.
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Now I want to compare flu virus
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effects we've gone over the statistics
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now I want to compare flu virus is this
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significantly different and I just got a
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little bit of data here so deaths per
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the CDC 24
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into 62,000 deaths each year we get
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about we had about 45 million total
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cases in 2017 with about 62,000 deaths
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or a 0.13 chance of death from flu in
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the United States as you know our other
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numbers were 0.02 so the lethality of
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kovat 19 is much less now you've got hot
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beds of it in New York but again went
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over the numbers 0.1% chance of death
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widespread small amount of deaths it's
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similar to flu as a matter of fact if we
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follow the science as we've been asked
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to do I'm following the science this
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data is generated by the CDC World
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Health Organization the testing is
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generated by what we have done here so
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we are following the science now I want
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to talk about the immune system dr.
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Missy he used to teach for immunology we
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both had years of microbiology
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biochemistry and biology studies we've
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made it our life's work to understand
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this stuff and here I'd like to go over
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some basic things about how the immune
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system functions so people have a good
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understanding the immune system is built
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by exposure to antigens viruses bacteria
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when you're a little child crawling on
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the ground putting stuff in your mouth
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viruses and bacteria come in you form an
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antigen antibody complex you form i GG
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IgM this is how your immune system is
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built you don't take a small child put
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them in bubble wrap in a room and say go
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have a healthy immune system
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this is immunology microbiology 101 this
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is not something this is the basis of
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what we've known for years so what I'm
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seeing is when you take human beings and
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you say go into your house clean all
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your counters Lysol them down you're
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gonna kill 99% of viruses and bacteria
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wear a mask don't go outside
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what does it do to our immune system our
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immune system is used to touching we
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share bacteria Staphylococcus
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streptococcal bacteria viruses we
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develop an immune response daily to this
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stuff when you take that away from me my
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immune system drops as I shelter in
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place my immune system draws
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you keep me there for months it drops
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more and now I'm at home hand-washing
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vigorously washing the counters worried
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about things that are indeed what I need
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to survive let's follow the science
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this is immunology folks this is
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microbiology this is what we've combined
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together we have 40 years of experience
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in this this is common sense
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immunology it decreases your immune
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system you can't build an immune system
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by if someone has a reduced immune
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system you you hide them away cuz they
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can't build the immune system if you
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have a normal functioning immune system
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you need interaction that when the child
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is in a womb you're in this protected
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environment when you come out you have
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almost no immune system you develop that
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through touching your mouth touching
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your eyes virus bacterial virus bacteria
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immune response IgG IgM this is how you
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build a strong immune system of course
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they are but that's that's from media
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telling them to I am telling them
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sheltering in place decreases your
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immune system and then as what we all
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come out of shelter in place with a
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lower immune system and start trading
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viruses bacteria what do you think is
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going to happen disease is gonna spike
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and then you've got disease spike
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amongst a hospital system with
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furloughed doctors and nurses this is
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not the combination we want to set up
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for a healthy society it doesn't make
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any sense
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initially initially maybe that was true
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but again I'm going through the numbers
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I'm not saying who's wrong or right I'm
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going through the science and through
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the numbers and I like you have been
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watching media and studying this for two
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months night and day
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well I go to bed at 2 or 3 in the
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morning every day I read after my shift
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and I say what's going on here I'm not a
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I'm not in an ivory tower I'm in seeing
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patients every day and I'm collecting my
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own data I didn't have data two months
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ago I just shared my data 6.5 percent of
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all pages we tested are positive that's
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actual unfiltered non-political data I'm
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not seeing again I'm sharing the data
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I'm not seeing or write somebody the
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data the data is coming in no I'm saying
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you have to give the virus time in from
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December to now there was tons of
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hypotheses you have to let the data work
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let the let the virus rise up then we
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study it and we see did we respond
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appropriately initially the response
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fine shut it down but as the data comes
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across and we say now wait a second
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we've never ever responded like this in
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the history of the country why are we
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doing this now
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even more accurate and more timely than
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what we're getting here in Kern County
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okay well sorry thank thank you for your
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question I think your question is valid
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and obviously dr. pouchy is a
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world-renowned immunologist and a lot of
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the data that they originally gave us
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was theoretical
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because coronavirus is a new virus we've
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studied corona virus since the 70s
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corona virus was but if you let me
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finish so every year according to your
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argument that you just made every year
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have you every year when we get the flu
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it's a new flu virus correct right but
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99% of it is flu correct the way virus
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has changed the undergo mutations
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through their DNA deoxyribonucleic acid
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there are different types of mutations
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which either cause increased virulence
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and more likely decrease virulence
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meaning virulence meaning how dangerous
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of viruses so when corona virus was
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we've been studying corona virus since
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the 70s and this this this this type of
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corona virus that came out was first and
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foremost transmissible through through
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human beings and that was new and I
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think anytime you have something new in
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the medical community I've been a doctor
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for 26 years any time you you you you
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have something new in the community
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medical community it sparks fear and dr.
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I would have done what dr. Fauci did so
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we both would have initially because the
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first thing you do is you want to make
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sure you limit liability and
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deaths and I think what they did was
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brilliant initially but you know looking
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at theories and models which is what
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these folks use is very different than
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the way the actual virus presents itself
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throughout communities and there's
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different communities we're talking
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about here
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Bakersfield a lot more widespread than
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Manhattan very very different so you
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can't really theory and reality are not
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always the same and that's what dr.
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Erickson is presenting it's not about
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being right or wrong medicine what they
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teach us is you practice medicine I'm
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learning every day so is dr. Erickson we
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all learn every day it's not about being
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right who's right who's wrong it's not a
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basketball game who made the basket who
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didn't it's about looking at trends and
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saying hey we're not seeing what they've
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been what they've been talking about for
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the past six to eight weeks we've
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crippled the economy there's a lot of
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domestic issues going on is social
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isolation warranted for the healthy you
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guys have seen different drawing
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different conclusions from the same data
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why is that that's nicer because we're
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actually seeing the patient's doctor if
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ouchy hasn't seen a patient for twenty
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years I'm just saying but I'm just
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saying it's in general a lot of the
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figureheads are not it's like the the
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general contractor versus the sub he's
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not seeing patients he's in an ivory
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tower and we have a world of respect for
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him he's a world-renowned immunologists
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two different things he's in academic
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we've dealt with academics all of our
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life I did surgery at USC and Loma Linda
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all academics but academics in reality
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is two different things two different
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things so we're just presenting our data
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and our opinion as medical professionals
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in this community
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well we don't we haven't I have I have a
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minute Manhattan for 20 years yeah again
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as as a leader you listen to the people
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around you and they make decisions on
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different timelines and so Gavin Newsom
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has people around him telling him we
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think this is the best move for now and
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then i early on we told people the truth
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changes every two hours because it was
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as the data moves as we do our own
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testing I'm giving a different answer
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now that I would have month ago because
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I understand the progression of disease
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in this area I also understand the
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progression of disease elsewhere because
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I look at their data I don't have to
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live in Manhattan to watch their disease
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process to watch how many positives in
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the community and to understand how
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diseases spread
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for instance nobody talks about the fact
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that coronavirus lives on plastics for
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three days and we're all sheltering in
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place where'd you get your water bottles
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from Costco where did you get that
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plastic shovel from Home Depot those are
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full mites and carriers of disease so
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you take your family sheltering and
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placing you think it's safe and you're
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taking fomites with disease that they've
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shown that lasts three days
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are you really protecting yourself from
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Kovan does that make sense to you it
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doesn't make sense to me and if I swab
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things in your home
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I would likely find coded 19 and so you
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think you're protected but you've got
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phone lights coming from you know Home
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Depot and Lowe's and it's okay for us to
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be mingling in those situations well we
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have to not go to work it's okay for us
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to go to Costco but not to church do you
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see the lack of consistency here from
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from a microbiological immunological
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standpoint that doesn't make sense if
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you're gonna isolate people you need to
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shut these all down because that's how
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the full mites are being transferred
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when you go to Del Taco and you get a
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plastic bag or piece on your burrito
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from someone not wearing on
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Aska was just wiping their arm on your
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thing do you think you're protected from
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covin when you wear gloves that transfer
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disease everywhere those gloves have
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bacteria all over them I'm wearing
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gloves not helping you as your mask that
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you're wearing for days you touch the
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outside of it
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COBIT and then touch your mouth this
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doesn't make any sense we wear masks in
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an acute setting to protect us we're not
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wearing masks why is that because we
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understand microbiology we understand
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immunology and we want strong immune
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systems I don't want to hide in my home
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develop a weak immune system and then
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come out and get disease we have both
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been in the ER through swine flu and
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through bird flu did we shut down for
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those were they much less dangerous than
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kovat is the flu less dangerous than
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Kelvin let's look at the death rates no
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it's not they're similar in prevalence
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and in death rate so we are saying that
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our response now now that we know the
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facts it's time to get back to work it's
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time to test people but again testing
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gives you a moment in time testing tells
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you we the nasal swab says positive or
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negative the blood vial the tiger top
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with a finger stick gives you IgG IgM
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IgG being the long-term aim an
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immunoglobulin we look at for immunity
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but again it's a moment in time and when
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someone what's interesting to me too is
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when someone dies in this country right
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now they're not talking about the high
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blood pressure the diabetes the stroke
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they say did they die from covet there's
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as you I we've been to hundreds of
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autopsies you you don't talk about one
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thing you talk about Co morbidities
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their vessels were narrowed their lungs
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were a smoker Kovan was part of it it is
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not the reason they died folks it is one
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of many reasons so to be so simplistic
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to say that's a Cova death because they
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have Kobin you know how many people died
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with pneumonia or people that died from
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flu with flu I should say it's not from
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flu they're their lungs were compromised
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by COPD they had a heart attack two
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years ago they have a weakened body
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we aren't pressured to test for flu but
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ER doctors now my friends at itok to say
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you know you
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it's interesting when I'm when I'm
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writing up my death report I'm being
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pressured to add covin why is that why
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are we being pressured to add covin to
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maybe increase the numbers and make it
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look a little bit worse than it is I
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think so so this is what I'm hearing
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from physicians I talked in Wisconsin
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New York and everywhere they're they're
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being pressured to add it to their
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diagnostic list so well it's I don't I
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probably come in from the administration
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so they're your administration is saying
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it's probably coming from the hospital
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administration I didn't ask them
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specifically but they said we're being
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pressured in house to add koba to the
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diagnostic list when we think it has
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nothing to do with the actual cause of
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death the actual cause of death was not
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Kovan but it's being reported as one of
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the disease processes and being added to
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the death list when they died from COPD
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they had Kovac Kovac didn't kill them 25
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years of tobacco use killed
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is it necessary so my question is is it
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necessary or are you saying it's only
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necessary for some individuals to be
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partying but for helping it's not yeah
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exactly
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I mean that's why would you why would
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you quarantine the healthy if you're
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young and healthy why would you why
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would you quarantine yourself it doesn't
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make any sense
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you quarantine the ill and when T 5% of
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patients who have kovat are asymptomatic
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which is why we advocate for widespread
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testing in order to open the economy you
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have to have widespread testing that's
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number one no question about it but
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historically if you look at biblical
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times you look at leprosy Mycobacterium
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leprae which is the bacteria that causes
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it they isolated the sick they didn't
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isolate everybody else so isolating the
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healthy just doesn't make sense
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in our opinion I think so well there's
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two ways to get rid of virus right
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either burns itself out or herd immunity
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for hundreds of years we relied on herd
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immunity viruses kill people end of
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story
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the flu kills people Kovach kills people
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but for the rest of us we develop herd
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immunity we did we developed the ability
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to take this virus in and defeat it and
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for the vast majority 95% of those
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around the globe this is true and when
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we look at people that have locked down
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and people that have been locked down we
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have massive data it is not
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statistically significant whether you
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lock down or not so why are we doing it
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the lock down yet it would it be safe
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for people to get outside right now yes
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I'm outside with no masks are the gloves
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a mask maybe a little bit too much right
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now is that kind of what you're saying
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well again do you do you want your
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immune system built or do you want it
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not built the building blocks of your
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immune system is a virus and bacteria
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end of story that's how you build it
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there's normal normal bacteria normal
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flora there's normal bacteria in normal
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flora that we have to be exposed to
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bacteria and viruses that are not
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virulent are our friends they protect us
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against bad bacteria and bad viruses so
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right now if you look at dr. Erikson
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skin or my skin we have strep we have
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staff all staff isn't bad call strep
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isn't bad they protect us against
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opportunistic infections that's why when
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a baby comes out of the room for the
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first three to six months they're
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extremely vulnerable to opportunistic
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infection which is why when we see a
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little baby in the ER with fever that's
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a one month old you do a spinal tap you
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do a chest x-ray you do blood cultures
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you do urine cultures but if you had a
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fever I wouldn't do that for you why
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because that baby does not have the
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normal bacteria and flora from the
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community whereas it you do because
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you've interacted with you know you've
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gone to the gas station you've gone to
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Home Depot that's the difference normal
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flora it we all need normal flora dr.
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Erickson saying is when you are self
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isolating at home for two or three
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months you lose that normal flora so if
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I guarantee when we reopen
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there's going to be a huge huge amount
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of illness that's going to be rampant
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because our immune systems have weakened
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and that's just basic immunology in
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biology
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I had some conclusions but basically our
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conclusions are that when I look at the
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the basic tenants that we know of
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Microbiology and I say do we need to
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still shelter in place our answer is
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emphatically no do we need businesses to
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be shut down emphatically
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no do we need to have it do we need to
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test them and get them back to work yes
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we do the the secondary effects that we
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went over the child abuse alcoholism
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loss of revenue all these are in our
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opinion a significantly more detrimental
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thing to society than a virus that has
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proven similar in nature to the seasonal
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flu we have every year we also need to
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put measures in place so economic
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shutdown like this does not happen again
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we want to make sure we understand that
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quarantine iing the sick is what we do
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not quarantine and the healthy we need
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to make sure if you're gonna if you're
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gonna dance on someone's constitutional
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rights you better have a good reason you
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better have a really good scientific
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reason and not just theory we're gonna
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work diligently to find a vaccine and
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the one of the most important things is
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wean our hospitals back up we need our
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furloughed doctors back we need our
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nurses back as when we lift this thing
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we're gonna need all hands on deck I
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know the local hospitals have closed two
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floors folks that's not the situation
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you want we're essentially setting
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ourselves up to have minimal staff and
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we're going to have significant disease
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that's the wrong combination so that's
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that's kind of the gist of what we
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wanted to get across today and and I've
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been working with some of the leaders
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and I've talked to you know the head of
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the CD pH I've gotten their opinion on
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this and a lot of the leaders in
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Sacramento and we're all in agreement
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but we need to have governor Newsom in
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agreement with us to lift this ban I've
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talked to our local head of help the
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Health Department and he's waiting for
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that even though they're in agreement
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with me they're waiting for the powers
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that be to lift because the data is
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showing
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it's time to lift so if we don't lift
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what is the reason well demand you
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unless you're gonna grab people from
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their homes people are afraid they're
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sheltering in place they don't they're
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having problems with their diabetes they
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won't come in do you think they're gonna
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come in for a test not in your life
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they're sheltering in homes so a lot of
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times we've you probably seen our
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marketing we do coronavirus testing
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we've called the major businesses you
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have to have people actually come to
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perform the test if they're afraid to
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come in which a lot of people are we
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can't get the data know the patients but
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when were they tested I mean that's the
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most important quit that's the most
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interested
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so I mean if you look at the pending
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tests within the last 10 days versus the
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amount of negative and positive cases
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and counties reporting it seems like it
39:57
varies maybe 150 to 200 reports coming
40:00
in today and that large number of just
40:03
over three thousand three thousand over
40:05
three thousand five hundred is still
40:06
there yeah so this idea of let's test
40:09
everybody even if every single person
40:14
here there's not a velvety one coffee
40:16
there's 10.1 billion in LA County so why
40:18
is current comment as opposed to your no
40:25
no it's not about a fault this is a
40:26
discussion we do the majority of testing
40:28
in Kern County for code we do the
40:30
majority of testing and our folks we
40:33
have a couple hundred employees are
40:34
working night and day to serve this
40:36
community so we're at full speed we can
40:39
handle a lot more testing we're seeing
40:41
about half the volume we normally see we
40:43
can double our volume and still take
40:45
care of you know getting the results
40:48
back unfortunately we don't run them
40:51
in-house nobody does we depend on major
40:53
labs that you know huge players in the
40:56
United States so our job is to evaluate
40:58
the patient make sure it's a you know
41:00
they don't have any any other issues
41:02
tonsillitis pneumonia flu swabbing for
41:05
kovetz send them to the lab the lag from
41:08
the time they get it from toe the result
41:10
is usually two days it's a two-day
41:12
result which is in line with everywhere
41:15
else one more time are we've tested 5213
41:40
we've had 340 positives now our people
41:44
get we have people calling back from
41:47
7:00 in the morning till midnight we can
41:48
only speak to our data collection
41:51
initially the labs were taking 10 to 12
41:54
days to get results that was about 6
41:56
weeks ago
41:56
then they refine their process they
41:58
brought in more analyzer so they
41:59
automate
42:00
they were doing things manually they
42:02
automated the process and now it's one
42:04
two three days all of our data is
42:06
followed up on these 5213 these are
42:09
called back we do between 150 and 200
42:11
tests every single day of the week
42:12
including weekends we have people
42:14
calling back till midnight every single
42:16
patient our data has followed up on I
42:19
can't speak to what la people are doing
42:21
I know what we're doing here these tests
42:24
have been followed up on these tests are
42:26
accurate to date and we're if you look
42:28
at the pending tests 5213 is a majority
42:31
of them so I know our process these I
42:34
don't
42:35
maybe the hospitals are not saying them
42:36
stat I don't know but that's our data is
42:39
coming around one to three days no based
42:44
on your information would you say it's
42:45
safe to open up schools sporting events
42:48
and for people to gather outside again
42:50
including James yeah I would start I
42:52
would start slowly I think we need to
42:53
open up the schools start getting kids
42:56
back to the immune system you know and
42:57
the major events the sporting events
42:59
these are these are non-essential let's
43:00
get back to those slowly let's start
43:02
with schools let's start with cafe Rio
43:04
and the pizza place here because I can
43:07
go into Sully's right now which I did
43:09
this morning there was 25 people in
43:10
there and I can stand in line for 10
43:12
minutes but I can't go in Cafe Rio and
43:14
sit there for 10 minutes does that make
43:15
sense to you guys and I think I can go
43:17
into Costco and I can shop with people
43:20
and there's probably a couple hundred
43:21
people but I can't go in Cafe Rio so big
43:24
businesses are open little businesses
43:27
are not there's no science behind that
43:30
as we've gone over that is not science
43:32
there's other factors in play that that
43:35
we don't have time to go into but it's
43:37
not science I want to make that clear
43:43
you think needs to happen or if if
43:45
someone came to you County is headed
43:47
what should we do a little bit because
43:49
you said you need testing an important
43:51
but are you seeing someone that you're
43:53
seeing a slow reopening learning with
43:56
the most essential things and working
43:58
from there and then how would you
44:00
propose doing testing well and we've
44:05
I've met with all the CEOs and all the
44:07
hospitals as early as yesterday and I've
44:10
met a couple times and they said what's
44:12
your capacity we're trying to figure out
44:14
our capacity so it's an ongoing
44:17
discussion and from our perspective
44:19
we've said let's start back opening the
44:21
businesses up people need revenue they
44:24
need the food chain for instance your
44:27
room way your Bolthouse they have
44:28
thousands of employees well they're all
44:30
working have they all been tested so our
44:34
thing is the food start with the food
44:36
industry and the food chain test them
44:38
and we're what we're trying to do now is
44:40
validate a a finger stick test so that
44:43
we can test people in three minutes
44:44
they're just coming out so we're
44:47
actually at noon today we're supposed to
44:50
meet with a major lab talking about
44:51
running the tiger top which is the blood
44:53
tube alongside the finger test doing our
44:55
self validation over the next week or
44:57
two
44:58
getting that rapid test done so that
45:00
people can test as they go into work
45:02
boom three minutes negative come and we
45:05
do that and until we find out who has
45:08
active disease who's not and we do it we
45:10
don't have to do everyone but a majority
45:12
of players and then eventually we treat
45:15
this like we treat flu which is if you
45:18
have the flu and you're feeling fever
45:20
and body aches you just stay home if you
45:22
have coffee or shortness of breath kovat
45:24
is more of a respiratory thing you stay
45:26
home you don't you don't get tested even
45:28
when people come with flu a lot of times
45:30
we don't test them we go you have flu
45:31
here's a medication or if it's been more
45:34
than two days you don't get Tamiflu it
45:35
works itself out I this this virus is
45:38
the same you have kovat go home let it
45:42
resolve and come back
45:46
negative they should because they may be
45:52
negative for the antibody for years they
45:55
may never get flu we have people in
45:57
their 50s who have never had flu well if
46:12
you have no symptoms you should be able
46:14
to return to work are you an
46:17
asymptomatic viral shedder
46:18
maybe but we can't test all of humanity
46:20
I think one thing I also wanted to add
46:22
is we're good in this cases sure we're
46:25
gonna miss cases of coronavirus just
46:27
like we miss cases of the flu I think
46:29
one thing that is being televised is
46:33
that we need to capture every single
46:34
coronavirus patient no we don't because
46:36
that's not reality theory and reality
46:39
are very very different we work in ers
46:41
for 15 years theory and reality are very
46:44
different it would be nice to capture
46:45
every coronavirus patient yes but is
46:47
that realistic are we gonna keep the
46:49
economy shut down for two years and
46:51
vaccinate everybody that's an
46:53
unrealistic expectation I think so
46:56
you're gonna cause financial ruin
46:57
domestic violence suicide rape violence
47:01
and what are you going to get out of it
47:03
you're still gonna miss a lot of cases
47:04
so we need to treat this like the flu
47:06
which is familiar and eventually this
47:09
this will mutate and become less and
47:11
less virulent because a symptom patients
47:15
who are asymptomatic or silent shedders
47:18
usually have the the milder version of
47:20
the corona virus right because it's
47:22
milder that's why they're not as
47:24
symptomatic and that tends to spread
47:26
quicker than the more virulent forms
47:33
one of them was what sources do you cite
47:37
about their claims what scientific
47:38
studies this is too early scientific
47:43
studies double-blind clinical controlled
47:45
trials take time years so we're doing
47:48
the best with the data we have I gave
47:50
you the statistics this is all common
47:52
knowledge you can find online this is
47:54
their countries reporting to these
47:56
different news entities this is all
47:58
common knowledge this is not based on
48:00
double-blind clinical control trials
48:01
again we've been studying microbiology
48:03
for twenty years this is our life goal
48:06
in our 20s and 30s 40s this is what we
48:09
do we throw this information against the
48:12
backdrop of knowledge we have both have
48:14
degrees in this and say is this
48:16
legitimate I don't need a double-blind
48:18
clinically controlled trial to tell me
48:20
if sheltering in place is appropriate
48:22
that is the that is a college-level
48:24
understanding of microbiology that's
48:25
next year next year two years down the
48:28
line a lot of times in medicine you have
48:29
to make you have to make educated
48:31
decisions with the data that you have I
48:33
can sit up you know in the forties 47th
48:36
floor in the penthouse and say we should
48:38
do this this and this but I haven't seen
48:40
a patient for 20 years that's not
48:41
realistic we were using the basic data
48:45
that we have here which we're happy to
48:47
share with you guys we have all the data
48:49
this is our data from Kern County and
48:51
because we're the largest testing center
48:53
for Kern County we're assuming our data
48:55
is accurate for this specific area 5,000
49:02
we've done five thousand two hundred and
49:05
thirteen that's okay five thousand two
49:08
hundred and thirteen and we have three
49:09
hundred and forty fives at three hundred
49:10
forty six points five percent I think so
49:19
I mean sorry to cut you off your vitamin
49:22
D levels go down you're not outside
49:23
you're not you know your mood goes down
49:26
when your mood goes down you're more
49:27
likely to get sick you get depression
49:29
going outside is healthy I mean why
49:32
can't you go to the park and walk around
49:35
but you can go to Home Depot nobody's
49:36
wearing a mask it just it doesn't make
49:38
sense the inconsistencies and
49:40
congruencies make no sense that's the
49:43
restaurants after stay-at-home order you
49:45
might see waiters no it's not it's not
49:52
we don't disagree with that I mean I
49:54
think you can look at it from two
49:55
different ways I think if you're healthy
49:57
and you don't have significant
49:59
comorbidity comorbidities and you know
50:01
you're not on you know you're not
50:03
immunodeficient and you're not elderly
50:06
you should be able to go out without any
50:08
gloves and without a mask I think if you
50:10
are those things you should either set
50:12
shelter in place or wear a mask and
50:14
gloves I don't think everybody needs to
50:15
wear the masks and gloves because it
50:17
reduces your bacterial flora it doesn't
50:21
allow you to interact with society and
50:22
your bacterial flora and your viruses
50:24
your friends that protect you from other
50:27
diseases end up going away and now
50:29
you're more likely to get opportunistic
50:31
infections infections that are hoping
50:33
you don't have your good bugs fighting
50:35
for you if that makes sense
50:47
the u.s. is below almost every Western
50:50
European nation for testing - I think
50:52
the UK implants and release is like
50:55
nowhere lower than everybody -
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I think we're about 12,500 per million
51:02
you can prance about 8,000 if you look
51:05
like Germany and Denmark that are
51:07
beginning to open up there they're
51:09
testing rates for governor are three
51:11
times higher than ours are we've also
51:13
had their test positive rate is between
51:16
3 and 12 percent which is what the World
51:18
Health Organization so it should be the
51:20
popular they are closer to 20 percent
51:22
nationally so what stage do you think we
51:24
get that adequate testing which you guys
51:26
are calling for where we can start to
51:28
take those approaches to get our economy
51:30
moving and start with me oh well I think
51:32
you can I think that's an excellent
51:35
question I think the problem with with
51:37
wanting widespread testing versus not
51:39
being scared enough to come to a
51:40
facility to get white press widespread
51:42
testing are two different things
51:43
if you're at home seeing tons and tons
51:45
of people die I don't want to go to
51:47
accelerate it I don't want to get
51:48
testing that fear prevents people from
51:51
coming in when this this press
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